091 Phil Zahn on moving from bondage to bonding

Phil Zahn is a bit of a mystery. He doesn’t like to name who he works for, where he’s traveling, or the people that he’s talking to. And he does this in service to the people that he knows God loves, protecting their identities and their stories. But he will absolutely talk about the Jesus that he knows, and he does so on the podcast with Leary and Armin today.